Lawyers have their oath of attorney, and doctors have that Hippocratic one, but it struck Max Anderson, a Princeton alumnus who today graduates from the Harvard Business School, that MBAs have nothing. And so he and several of his classmates created the MBA oath, a promise to "act with utmost integrity and pursue my work in an ethical manner." (Read all eight parts of the pledge here.)
"The idea was for us to do something symbolic and meaningful as we graduate into the worst financial crisis of our times," Anderson says. "What the heck does an MBA mean anymore? You walk into a doctor's office and see an M.D. on the wall, and it inspires some kind of trust and confidence. If you see an MBA, does that inspire the same effect? Not right now, but it's worth a shot."
Thanks to the assiduous PR efforts of the oath creators--some of them are budding marketers, after all--their project has garnered plenty of notice, from a largely adulatory article in The New York Times to skepticism from bloggers including Tom Lindmark, who wrote on Seeking Alpha, "Let's not just kid ourselves about how much difference it is going to make."
When asked about the criticisms of the oath--that it's too vague, for instance, or that the pledgers (about 50% of the graduating class) would probably have acted ethically anyway--another of the organizers lapsed unfortunately into PR speak, griping that "those sentiments show that the MBA profession is under fire" and offering this gem: "We can't predict what will happen." She also said that the pledge is "aspirational." (Which raises another question: Why is only half of the class, then, aspiring to act ethically? Do the others want to reserve the right not to act with utmost integrity? Do some think it's an empty gesture?)
The organizers don't intend for the pledge to be a onetime thing--say, a ritual at commencement--but the start of something bigger. They see it as entrée into a club of sorts. The organizers intend to create an online community where those who pledge can come to their peers anonymously with ethical dilemmas they encounter in the workplace.
Whether their plan ultimately works or not--another online community? really?--these Harvard students have started an important discussion about doing the right thing in business, which is never a bad conversation to have. And what struck me as I discussed the oath and the reaction to it with Anderson (full disclosure: an old friend of mine) was his tone. Near the end of our conversation, he said, "We don't have this all figured out. People say it's fluffy. What does it even mean when we say 'ethical'? Valid criticism, totally! We're just saying we're trying to be honest and not looking to screw you." It seemed remarkably like something that's been lacking in a lot of the business world lately--and something we could use more of: humility. --Jeff Chu
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Recent Comments | 113 Total
July 20, 2009 at 5:37am by Ankit Bhawsinka
Well the first thing that came to my mind on reading the above article and links therein was why the need of an oath for MBA's. One of the reasons i could make out was the constant flak the corporate world and esp. the MBA's have been under for being unethical in their approach towards the society in persuit of making money. Thus i thought is it an attempt to do away the tarnished image formed. I completely understand the need of the hour is to come together in such torrid times, but would it serve any purpose to take oaths? Personally i thought it would not do any good. Also the comparision with doctors and lawyers seemed very absurd. The doctors are there to save lives and thus there taking an oath seems so much more meaningful. Same with the lawyer as they also have the Constitution to follow, thus the oath. What is the prime objective of an MBA on the other hand than to help the firm make more money! Also ethics cannot be imbibed in someone by merely taking an oath. To contribute to the society, one has to act accordingly that is not subject to any oath.
Ankit Bhawsinka (11)
IMDR, Pune
July 20, 2009 at 5:39am by MOHIT SINGLA
"OATH" is a tool to keep one aligned with the ethics the profession. But it is not for everyone. Means, the designer of oath also knows that it wont change every lawyer, doctor or manager into ethical person.
It helps only those who already want to carry those ethics. It helps them to stand against unfavourable conditions for carrying those ethics but oath wont provide any guarrantee and nothing can.
Now, another thing. What is unethical for me, may not be for some other person. Taking an example, there are two owners of same business where the product is sold at the rate of some amount per kg. Means by weight, but different firms and hence are competitors.
One of them feels that it is unethical to weigh less.
while the competitor sells it at very low price taking advantage of customer's unawareness and gives 950gms and charges for 1kg and says it is customer's duty to be aware and i dont do anything wrong in this.
Now, the person we feel is ethical is beaten in competition due to competitor's low price. How long he can carry the ethics??
MOHIT SINGLA
IMDR, PUNE
July 20, 2009 at 5:46am by Nikhil Sinha
There is a vast difference in the words and deeds. I believe that taking oath is not going to bring any change unless your innerself wants to be ethical. Instead of taking oath and not practising let us develop beliefs in ourselves and try to come up to our own expectation. An individual can never lie to himself. lets learn first what is ethical and what is not ethical. If we know the differnce, there will be no need of words. Our innerself will only force us to do right thing.
Nikhil Sinha
Roll 61
PGDM II
IMDR
July 20, 2009 at 5:50am by Gourav Chawla
The first thing that came in to my mind after reading this article and the 8 point oath is that why Lawyers and doctors have oath and why there is a need of OATH to an MBA . It is very important to understand the circumstances that made this kind of thing and to have an oath because it is difficult to enforce to be ethical and moral in this era of Immorality.
Doctors and lawyers profession directly and indirectly impact the society. So there was a
Need of oath for them to be loyal and ethical with their profession and society.
But in the current scenario of Global recession, every body felt the impact of recession, which all stared at one point of the globe and affects the life of million of peoples around the globe and the person responsible for this is the business person sitting at one part of the world and those decision taken by him and without analyzing its impact affects the whole world.
After reading this I can only say that there is a need to turn management into a profession like medicine or law. Where a Manager not only has to defend the interests of shareholder, and its customers but also the society in which they operate. In that sense
Oath ceremony is remarkable and a good initiative, which will definitely make the rest of the world to think about this thought provoking initiative.
GOURAV CHAWLA ( 12 )
PGDM II
IMDR,PUNE
July 20, 2009 at 5:53am by Linsa Mathew
Taking an oath is a symbolic gesture. Unless and until you are really going to practice what you speak its going to remain just that - a symbolic gesture. Just because doctors and lawyers take an oath are they all ethically correct?
July 20, 2009 at 5:55am by lokesh surana
what is the need of OATH ??
is that to remind yourself that you have to work ethically.
words don't work alone, actions must follow,
same i will say for taking oath.
July 20, 2009 at 5:56am by lokesh surana
what is the need of OATH ??
is that to remind yourself that you have to work ethically.
words don't work alone, actions must follow,
same i will say for taking oath.
lokesh surana
IMDR, Pune
July 20, 2009 at 6:05am by rohit bagla
The situation of an MBA is very much different from a lawyer and doctor. They are so directly connected to the social responsibility. On the other hand an MBA don’t have any such responsibility directly.
On the other hand, meaning of the term ethics also differ from person to person. One thing can be considered, both ethical and unethical by two different persons. For example, earning 50% profit on a particular product is not an unethical thing for a businessman but according to common people it is unethical.
The idea of introducing oath can not guarantee that the unethical actions can be converted into ethical ones. Until the person himself realises that the ethical actions should be an integrated part of their profession, only an oath can not make big differences. The person who is doing unethical thing must have the knowledge that he is doing unethical thing. One can not force ethics on somebody else. It should come by heart.
July 20, 2009 at 6:06am by rohit bagla
The situation of an MBA is very much different from a lawyer and doctor. They are so directly connected to the social responsibility. On the other hand an MBA don’t have any such responsibility directly.
On the other hand, meaning of the term ethics also differ from person to person. One thing can be considered, both ethical and unethical by two different persons. For example, earning 50% profit on a particular product is not an unethical thing for a businessman but according to common people it is unethical.
The idea of introducing oath can not guarantee that the unethical actions can be converted into ethical ones. Until the person himself realises that the ethical actions should be an integrated part of their profession, only an oath can not make big differences. The person who is doing unethical thing must have the knowledge that he is doing unethical thing. One can not force ethics on somebody else. It should come by heart.
July 20, 2009 at 6:12am by rohit bagla
The situation of an MBA is very much different from a lawyer and doctor. They are so directly connected to the social responsibility. On the other hand an MBA don’t have any such responsibility directly.
On the other hand, meaning of the term ethics also differ from person to person. One thing can be considered, both ethical and unethical by two different persons. For example, earning 50% profit on a particular product is not an unethical thing for a businessman but according to common people it is unethical.
The idea of introducing oath can not guarantee that the unethical actions can be converted into ethical ones. Until the person himself realises that the ethical actions should be an integrated part of their profession, only an oath can not make big differences. The person who is doing unethical thing must have the knowledge that he is doing unethical thing. One can not force ethics on somebody else. It should come by heart.
ROHIT BAGLA
ROLL NO- 5
DM II
IMDR
July 20, 2009 at 6:12am by manish malviya
I don't think merely pledge can make a person ethical.If we take the example of Lawyers, as they generally take the oath of attorney,they are not always loyal to the truth.Because of some money they manipulate the evidences.The most lawbreakers are lawyers.At that time they do not think about the pledge.But an oath can remind people about their duties and responsibilities.It can influence the inner voice of the person.
The idea of taking the MBA oath,at a first glance looking like Fantasy.But if we become successful to implement this ,we will help the society in a huge manner.And along with pledge, it is character and honesty which help a person to become loyal and ethical for a society.It influence the spirit of a person.
Manish Malviya
Roll no. 37
PGDM-II
IMDR
July 20, 2009 at 6:13am by nikhil sarda
Taking an oath seems a very fancy idea but it may not actually fulfill the purpose for which it is taken. On the contrary it may create a groups or communities supporting or criticizing this process leading to a situation where both of them shouting to highlight their causes.Just because some educational programs have an oath taking process dosent mean that it can be copied elsewhere and we don’t have the statistics to prove that its actually successful in making someone act in an ethical manner.
As far as ethics are concerned rather than taking an oath it is more about the environment in which the student is being educated, the quality of people constituting that environment and what the student absorbs from it.
Nikhil Sarda
52
IMDR Pune
July 20, 2009 at 6:14am by rohit bagla
The situation of an MBA is very much different from a lawyer and doctor. They are so directly connected to the social responsibility. On the other hand an MBA don’t have any such responsibility directly.
On the other hand, meaning of the term ethics also differ from person to person. One thing can be considered, both ethical and unethical by two different persons. For example, earning 50% profit on a particular product is not an unethical thing for a businessman but according to common people it is unethical.
The idea of introducing oath can not guarantee that the unethical actions can be converted into ethical ones. Until the person himself realises that the ethical actions should be an integrated part of their profession, only an oath can not make big differences. The person who is doing unethical thing must have the knowledge that he is doing unethical thing. One can not force ethics on somebody else. It should come by heart.
ROHIT BAGLA
ROLL NO- 5
DM II
IMDR
July 20, 2009 at 6:14am by Saket Suman
I find the idea of taking oath slightly amusing, someone decides that we should take oath because doctors and lawyers do so and our group of postgraduates who aspire to become leaders of the world economy are flocking behind him. I am not against this idea of taking oath but the way it is being blindly followed, individuals are different and so are their values. Do we expect everyone to change and have the same set of values after this grand act of oath taking? Wearing a ring to be reminded of the oath one has taken!!!! …… So are we trying to create an exclusive group of individuals who proudly display their approved ‘ring of ethics’ and scoff at those who don’t wear it?
The idea isn’t that bad, the discussion forum to take advices when in doubt is constructive but it shouldn’t become a community on the basis of ‘us’ and ‘them’. Make the discussions and advices available but let the individuals understand its meaning and espouse it rather than making it a certification of ethics.
Saket Suman(51)
PGDM-II
IMDR, Pune
July 20, 2009 at 6:14am by nikhil sarda
Taking an oath seems a very fancy idea but it may not actually fulfill the purpose for which it is taken. On the contrary it may create a groups or communities supporting or criticizing this process leading to a situation where both of them shouting to highlight their causes.Just because some educational programs have an oath taking process dosent mean that it can be copied elsewhere and we don’t have the statistics to prove that its actually successful in making someone act in an ethical manner.
As far as ethics are concerned rather than taking an oath it is more about the environment in which the student is being educated, the quality of people constituting that environment and what the student absorbs from it.
Nikhil Sarda
52
IMDR Pune
July 20, 2009 at 6:16am by Nidhi Chawla
I appreciate the new practice of conducting an oath ceremony. But I really do not understand the importance of oath ceremony. What is the importance of taking an oath if we do not follow it. Is it that only doctors and lawyers are required to behave in ethical way. Those who take oath are doing ethical things? Every body is supposed to behave ethical with or with out oath. Since our childhood we are taught to behave in ethical way then why we need an oath at the end of the graduation. What was the reason that only 50% students were present. May be they do not know what is ethical and what is unethical. Or they do not require an oath to work in ethical way.
I really like the option of online community where those who pledge can come to their peers anonymously with ethical dilemmas they encounter in the workplace. Because sometimes we really do not know what is ethical and what is not. This will be helpful in such dilemmas.
Nidhi Chawla
Roll No. 13
IMDR, Pune
July 20, 2009 at 6:16am by Nidhi Chawla
I appreciate the new practice of conducting an oath ceremony. But I really do not understand the importance of oath ceremony. What is the importance of taking an oath if we do not follow it. Is it that only doctors and lawyers are required to behave in ethical way. Those who take oath are doing ethical things? Every body is supposed to behave ethical with or with out oath. Since our childhood we are taught to behave in ethical way then why we need an oath at the end of the graduation. What was the reason that only 50% students were present. May be they do not know what is ethical and what is unethical. Or they do not require an oath to work in ethical way.
I really like the option of online community where those who pledge can come to their peers anonymously with ethical dilemmas they encounter in the workplace. Because sometimes we really do not know what is ethical and what is not. This will be helpful in such dilemmas.
Nidhi Chawla
Roll No. 13
IMDR, Pune
July 20, 2009 at 6:19am by bhushan morshikar
i think taking the oath for MBA graduates will not make much difference to them . though the lawyers and doctors take the oath but how many of them follow it while practicing? while doing the business one cannot do it according to the oath.as every time the business cannot be run ethically. so the matter of taking the oath for MBA is not worth. as we know most of the successful businessmen are not MBA and they also dont take any oath while doing their business. the taking of oath wont assure us the good practicing of business. it will only support the idea of ethics in business who really think that there is ethics kind of thing in business.
BHUSHAN MORSHIKAR (38)
PGDM 2
IMDR
July 20, 2009 at 6:19am by bhushan morshikar
i think taking the oath for MBA graduates will not make much difference to them . though the lawyers and doctors take the oath but how many of them follow it while practicing? while doing the business one cannot do it according to the oath.as every time the business cannot be run ethically. so the matter of taking the oath for MBA is not worth. as we know most of the successful businessmen are not MBA and they also dont take any oath while doing their business. the taking of oath wont assure us the good practicing of business. it will only support the idea of ethics in business who really think that there is ethics kind of thing in business.
BHUSHAN MORSHIKAR (38)
PGDM 2
IMDR
July 20, 2009 at 6:20am by bhushan morshikar
i think taking the oath for MBA graduates will not make much difference to them . though the lawyers and doctors take the oath but how many of them follow it while practicing? while doing the business one cannot do it according to the oath.as every time the business cannot be run ethically. so the matter of taking the oath for MBA is not worth. as we know most of the successful businessmen are not MBA and they also dont take any oath while doing their business. the taking of oath wont assure us the good practicing of business. it will only support the idea of ethics in business who really think that there is ethics kind of thing in business.
BHUSHAN MORSHIKAR (38)
PGDM 2
IMDR
July 20, 2009 at 6:23am by Sunanda Verma
OATH – For MBA Graduates… Seems something which will act like a magical wand that will direct all the managers to be ethical in their practice. Almost all business schools insist on personal grooming and physical appearance of future managers (wearing nicely ironed formal dresses and carrying a branded laptop) and I feel that this oath taking system will add a new dimension to it. More and more emphasis is being laid on showcasing things than actually doing something which will make the system better.
Who will define ethics in the corporate world?? And what about the employees of the companies who themselves are engaged in unethical business?? Will they be guided to work ethically in that so called unethical business?? All these questions hit at the very root of concept of oath for MBA graduates.
I think we should come up with ideas that are practically possible in the present situations than running after the idea of making it a utopian scenario.
Sunanda Verma (64)
IMDR, Pune
July 20, 2009 at 6:23am by rahul gupta
I have taken oath when I was in scout for the first time. It was not very much important at that time as I thought if you follow the learning by heart.It may be the way to bound the people with the ethics. In the police service, they take the oath but very few of them follows it. It's the instinct that comes from inside. A force can never be the reason behind the actual work done. It might prove be a good start but we came to know it afterward. If an employee is honest to his employer then he must going to give the benefit to him.
It is purely depend on honesty that what you perform. It is fairly a good idea to take oath with the point of making people realize about their ethics. Unless the people will himself realize their role.
RAHUL GUPTA
ROLL NO. 20
IMDR,PGDM
July 20, 2009 at 6:30am by rahul gupta
I have taken oath when I was in scout for the first time. It was not very much important at that time as I thought if you follow the learning by heart. It may be the way to bound the people with the ethics. In the police service, they take the oath but very few of them follows it. It's the instinct that comes from inside. A force can never be the reason behind the actual work done. It might prove be a good start but we came to know it afterward. If an employee is honest to his employer then he must going to give the benefit to him.
It is purely depend on honesty that what you perform. It is fairly a good idea to take oath with the point of making people realize about their ethics. Unless the people will himself realize their roll.
RAHUL GUPTA
ROLL NO. 20
IMDR,PGDM
July 20, 2009 at 6:31am by rahul gupta
I have taken oath when I was in scout for the first time. It was not very much important at that time as I thought if you follow the learning by heart. It may be the way to bound the people with the ethics. In the police service, they take the oath but very few of them follows it. It's the instinct that comes from inside. A force can never be the reason behind the actual work done. It might prove be a good start but we came to know it afterward. If an employee is honest to his employer then he must going to give the benefit to him.
It is purely depend on honesty that what you perform. It is fairly a good idea to take oath with the point of making people realize about their ethics. Unless the people will himself realize their roll.
RAHUL GUPTA
ROLL NO. 20
IMDR,PGDM
July 20, 2009 at 6:33am by Nidhi Chawla
I appreciate the new practice of conducting an oath ceremony for an M.B.A student. But I really do not understand the importance of oath ceremony. What is the importance of taking an oath if we do not follow it. Is it that only doctors and lawyers are required to behave in ethical way. Those who take oath are they doing ethical things? Every body is supposed to behave ethical with or with out oath. Since our childhood we are taught to behave in ethical way then why we need an oath at the end of the graduation. What was the reason that only 50% students were present. May be they do not know what is ethical and what is unethical. Or they do not require an oath to work in ethical way.
I really like the option of online community where those who pledge can come to their peers anonymously with ethical dilemmas they encounter in the workplace. Because sometimes we really do not know what is ethical and what is not. This will be helpful in such dilemmas.
Nidhi Chawla
Roll No. 13
IMDR, Pune
July 20, 2009 at 6:35am by rahul gupta
I have taken oath when I was in scout for the first time. It was not very much important at that time as I thought if you follow the learning by heart. It may be the way to bound the people with the ethics. In the police service, they take the oath but very few of them follows it. It's the instinct that comes from inside. A force can never be the reason behind the actual work done. It might prove be a good start but we came to know it afterward. If an employee is honest to his employer then he must going to give the benefit to him.
It is purely depend on honesty that what you perform. It is fairly a good idea to take oath with the point of making people realize about their ethics. Unless the people will himself realize their roll.
RAHUL GUPTA
ROLL NO. 20
IMDR,PGDM
July 20, 2009 at 6:42am by Nidhi Chawla
I appreciate the new practice of conducting an oath ceremony for an M.B.A student. But I really do not understand the importance of oath ceremony. What is the importance of taking an oath if we do not follow it. Is it that only doctors and lawyers are required to behave in ethical way. Those who take oath are they doing ethical things? Every body is supposed to behave ethical with or with out oath. Since our childhood we are taught to behave in ethical way then why we need an oath at the end of the graduation. What was the reason that only 50% students were present. May be they do not know what is ethical and what is unethical. Or they do not require an oath to work in ethical way.
I really like the option of online community where those who pledge can come to their peers anonymously with ethical dilemmas they encounter in the workplace. Because sometimes we really do not know what is ethical and what is not. This will be helpful in such dilemmas.
Nidhi Chawla
Roll No. 13
IMDR, Pune
July 20, 2009 at 6:43am by Nidhi Chawla
I appreciate the new practice of conducting an oath ceremony for an M.B.A student. But I really do not understand the importance of oath ceremony. What is the importance of taking an oath if we do not follow it. Is it that only doctors and lawyers are required to behave in ethical way. Those who take oath are they doing ethical things? Every body is supposed to behave ethical with or with out oath. Since our childhood we are taught to behave in ethical way then why we need an oath at the end of the graduation. What was the reason that only 50% students were present. May be they do not know what is ethical and what is unethical. Or they do not require an oath to work in ethical way.
I really like the option of online community where those who pledge can come to their peers anonymously with ethical dilemmas they encounter in the workplace. Because sometimes we really do not know what is ethical and what is not. This will be helpful in such dilemmas.
Nidhi Chawla
Roll No. 13
IMDR, Pune
July 20, 2009 at 6:44am by Amit Bhatta
I have never seen in person any graduate taking an oath. But I have seen many on the television where in the ministers are seen taking an oath just after elections when they are allocated their respective cabinets, in IMA when they do the “Aakhri Pag” thing and have heard and read about the doctors pledge. Whenever I have seen it or heard about it, I found it to be very inspirational and I have also felt overwhelmed at times. After listening to these oath taking ceremonies, I had personally decided to follow an ethical path. But somewhere along the line I have forgotten the ethical path. I have done things which are important to me without giving a damn to what others think or feel about my actions. And this nonchalance has grown over the years and it has made me to ask myself several times “What is ethical?? What is right and what is wrong and how to distinguish between the two?? Whether the right and wrong is to be decided keeping me in the picture or others??” Over the last few years, mostly after I started working, I realized that I don’t care whether what I do is ethical or not, all I know is that what suits me takes priority over things and people. May be helping a friend in need is something good and ethical, but I know that I help a friend for myself only, because after helping him or her I feel good. Its always that “I” which takes priority for me over others. So when it comes to taking an oath, to me personally it would not carry much value. I will follow it as long as it suits me and the day it doesn’t, I will abandon it. This is at least what I think as of now; I do not know what my stand is going to be on ethics all my life.
The second thing to an oath is there is a purpose attached to it which is based on the nature of the profession. The doctors take an oath to serve the patients; the politicians take an oath to run the country properly, the army takes an oath to defend the country, etc. All these professions are on the lines of helping people. But when it comes to an MBA graduate, he gets into the corporate world where the motto is profit maximization, market capitalization, etc. The entire motive behind this corporate world is selfish and profit driven. So in a world where an oath takes back seat and corruption takes fore seat for people welfare professions, how long will an oath stand its ground, in a profit driven environment??
Having an oath sounds like a damn good and cool idea. To be wearing those graduate caps and gowns and to be standing on the stage and taking an oath, sounds so appealing but for me that’s what will be the meaning of the oath taking ceremony. I know I have to inculcate all those that I speak in me and then only will I be able to practice it. So the first step to this is having an oath. I do not know whether ever I will follow it but what I know is if I ever take an oath, I will have it figured out first for myself, each and every word and then I will follow it. Now at least we will have an oath, following it or not will be the next step. One baby step at a time might just work out and I am willing to start the journey with baby steps.
Amit Bhatta
Roll No – 10
PGDM-2
IMDR
July 20, 2009 at 6:45am by rahul gupta
I have taken oath when I was in scout for the first time. It was not very much important at that time as I thought if you follow the learning by heart. It may be the way to bound the people with the ethics. In the police service, they take the oath but very few of them follows it. It's the instinct that comes from inside. A force can never be the reason behind the actual work done. It might prove be a good start but we came to know it afterward. If an employee is honest to his employer then he must going to give the benefit to him.
It is purely depend on honesty that what you perform. It is fairly a good idea to take oath with the point of making people realize about their ethics. Unless the people will himself realize their roll.
RAHUL GUPTA
ROLL NO. 20
IMDR,PGDM
July 20, 2009 at 6:47am by Nidhi Chawla
I appreciate the new practice of conducting an oath ceremony for an M.B.A student. But I really do not understand the importance of oath ceremony. What is the importance of taking an oath if we do not follow it. Is it that only doctors and lawyers are required to behave in ethical way. Those who take oath are they doing ethical things? Every body is supposed to behave ethical with or with out oath. Since our childhood we are taught to behave in ethical way then why we need an oath at the end of the graduation. What was the reason that only 50% students were present. May be they do not know what is ethical and what is unethical. Or they do not require an oath to work in ethical way.
I really like the option of online community where those who pledge can come to their peers anonymously with ethical dilemmas they encounter in the workplace. Because sometimes we really do not know what is ethical and what is not. This will be helpful in such dilemmas.
Nidhi Chawla
Roll No. 13
IMDR, Pune
July 20, 2009 at 6:52am by Nidhi Chawla
I appreciate the new practice of conducting an oath ceremony for an M.B.A student. But I really do not understand the importance of oath ceremony. What is the importance of taking an oath if we do not follow it. Is it that only doctors and lawyers are required to behave in ethical way. Those who take oath are they doing ethical things? Every body is supposed to behave ethical with or with out oath. Since our childhood we are taught to behave in ethical way then why we need an oath at the end of the graduation. What was the reason that only 50% students were present. May be they do not know what is ethical and what is unethical. Or they do not require an oath to work in ethical way.
I really like the option of online community where those who pledge can come to their peers anonymously with ethical dilemmas they encounter in the workplace. Because sometimes we really do not know what is ethical and what is not. This will be helpful in such dilemmas.
Nidhi Chawla
Roll No. 13
IMDR, Pune
July 20, 2009 at 6:59am by ROHIT HUNDWANI
oath is for the person who will listen to his conscious that i have pledged to do this and not that. so the person who listens to the conscious cant go unethical. thus, i dont find much relevance of oath
Rohit hundwani(23)
imdr
July 20, 2009 at 7:00am by Akshay Joshi
Making somebody an honest individual is a difficult task which is something next to impossible.
'Taking Oath' is one of the fantastic way which helps the person to follow his ot her valies & ethics. Of course people do dishonour this oath some times but still it works for majority of people. It may not work if somebody is "born to dishonour ethics" or "enjoy dishonouring any value by heart".
There could be some phsychological reasons behind this ritual. This 'oath taking' ritual is infact followed in many parts of world from many centuries. Whether it could be by the soldiers going on war or by the african tribes for the their god or by a person standing in the witness box, an oath taking creates some type of physchological effect on the minds of the people taking oath. A person taking oath finds himself more purposeful by following the oath and could feel sad by not following it.
Taking an oath is an appreciative step which let the future managers to stick to human values. It many not end unethical managers but atleast it will reduce their number!
Akshay Joshi (028)
PGDM-II
IMDR
July 20, 2009 at 7:01am by Amiya R. Padhiary
towards the end of the article Mr Anderson rightly said, "we can't define ethics?" if we don't agree with the definition of ethics unanimously, then where is the question of the uniformity with it?
i mean what seems to be ethical for me need not be acceptable to some other people. one other thing is is there any standard by which we can measure concepts like integrity, honesty, faith or responsibility. all these should come to everyone spontaneously and they shouldn't be forced upon. if one acts out of fear, then his claims about all these are questionable.
now if it were to come spontaneously, then it doesn't depend on one oath taking at the end of the graduation period which merely lasts five to ten minutes. all these concepts are to be excelled by practicing throughout the lifetime and such practitioners do not need any such ceremony to show off that they are honest, that they are dependable. this is evident from the fact that most of the signatories would have behaved ethically even if they were not to undergo this type of ceremony.
at the end an oath is something you make to yourself and not to the public.
July 20, 2009 at 7:04am by Padmaja P
At first the idea of taking oath as an MBA grad appealed me a lot. Same like doctors and lawyers who need to take oath before starting their practice in their fields, a fresh MBA grad entering in the business world by swearing to some principles ..wow…that’s great, isn’t it?
But think carefully and seeing the world with wide open eyes, do all people who take oath, really follow the same throughout their practice? Not many. Even doctors, who are there to save lives of people, go against their practicing principles just for more money. Same applies to lawyers. So can you really make someone behave in a particular manner – let’s say ethical or morally correct just by swearing to an oath? I feel, the answer is no. One’s behavior is guided by the principles he follows and everyone has his own definition of ethics and morals. So unless and until the guiding principles come from one’s deep inside, such oath won’t be effective in practice.
One more issue here I think is of clarity. How can you really define what is good and what is bad. Everyone has his own perception, and no 2 persons think the same way. So it is difficult to decide in a complex situation what is ethically right.
Padmaja Pore (47)
IMDR, Pune
July 20, 2009 at 7:04am by Amiya R. Padhiary
towards the end of the article Mr Anderson rightly said, "we can't define ethics?" if we don't agree with the definition of ethics unanimously, then where is the question of the uniformity with it?
i mean what seems to be ethical for me need not be acceptable to some other people. one other thing is is there any standard by which we can measure concepts like integrity, honesty, faith or responsibility. all these should come to everyone spontaneously and they shouldn't be forced upon. if one acts out of fear, then his claims about all these are questionable.
now if it were to come spontaneously, then it doesn't depend on one oath taking at the end of the graduation period which merely lasts five to ten minutes. all these concepts are to be excelled by practicing throughout the lifetime and such practitioners do not need any such ceremony to show off that they are honest, that they are dependable. this is evident from the fact that most of the signatories would have behaved ethically even if they were not to undergo this type of ceremony.
at the end an oath is something you make to yourself and not to the public.
Amiya R. Padhiary
Roll No- 40
PGDM II
IMDR
July 20, 2009 at 7:08am by sahil sharma
well,i think that there was one point in the article itself which is the answer to the question that is the oath taking a need for the MBA's or not. It is that most probably the people who took the oath would have anyhow acted ethically. to me taking an oath can never restrain you from doing things that are unethical. a person who can do unethical things will definitely take no time to forget the oath.
so i dont feel that there should be a formal oath taking ceremony for all that have passed MBA. however for those who intend to work ethically, this oath will be a motivation to them. they may take it with pride and when they are in some perplex situation they may remember the oath which may guide them the right path.
sahil sharma
roll no. 56
pgdm-2
IMDR,PUNE
July 20, 2009 at 7:11am by Nidhi Chawla
IMDR, Pune I appreciate the new practice of conducting an oath ceremony for an M.B.A student. But I really do not understand the importance of oath ceremony. What is the importance of taking an oath if we do not follow it. Is it that only doctors and lawyers are required to behave in ethical way. Those who take oath are they doing ethical things? Every body is supposed to behave ethical with or with out oath. Since our childhood we are taught to behave in ethical way then why we need an oath at the end of the graduation. What was the reason that only 50% students were present. May be they do not know what is ethical and what is unethical. Or they do not require an oath to work in ethical way.
I really like the option of online community where those who pledge can come to their peers anonymously with ethical dilemmas they encounter in the workplace. Because sometimes we really do not know what is ethical and what is not. This will be helpful in such dilemmas.
Nidhi Chawla
Roll No. 13
IMDR, PUNE
July 20, 2009 at 7:13am by cleopatra fernandes
I think this is a good idea but will it really make difference? i do not think so how can you have an oath and make people stand by it.Taking an oath is being ethical. One need not take an oath to show everyone. If a person is aware of what type of person he is and what is his role he can make committments to himsef and stand by it.i do not feel that an oath can change the ethics of a person.
Cleopatra Fernandes
Roll No: 14
IMDR Pune