Thor Muller | Photo by Thomas Hawk Can online networking deliver us from the evil of bad customer service? Thor Muller is betting that "people-powered customer service" will trump outsourcing and the impersonal call center. Muller is CEO and co-founder of getsatisfaction.com, a user-driven customer service community. Launched in September, 2007, the site provides forums where customers discuss problems with products and services of 2,500 companies from Apple to Zappos -- whether the company participates or not. It also provides tools for companies to adopt getsatisfaction.com as their official customer service resource. So far, the site has drawn more than a million unique visitors. Here, Muller discusses why customer service is the new marketing, why you should bring edge users into the core of your business, and how a company you might expect to get it (Facebook) and one you might not (Comcast) are taking very different approaches.
How did this start?
We started this side project called Valleyschwag. You know all the t-shirts with logos that companies give away? Here in the Bay Area there's a ton of that because of all the tech companies. Spurred on by some friends of ours in the middle of the country, we decided it would be funny to put on a schwag of the month club. It started as a joke but it took off and had a couple of thousand subscribers in a few weeks. We experienced the pain of customer service -- hundreds of emails every day, mostly repetitive emails. Once in the middle of the night we released a feature on our web site, went to bed, and when we woke up we saw there was all this activity in the comment section of our blog. It turned out there was a bug we'd released, users began to report it in the blog, and the other users began to answer those questions. It struck us as interesting.
Is this an alternative to outsourcing customer service to places like India?
Over the last 10 years, the effort required to communicate with hundreds of your friends has gone toward zero. It's almost effortless to tap out a note to literally hundreds of people through Facebook, email, or Twitter. Meanwhile, the trend with big companies has been to outsource and mechanize and it's getting ever harder to get through to a live person who knows as much as you do about the problem you're trying to get help with. We're creating a kind of social network designed for companies and customers to communicate with each other. Basically it's pulling the company into that faster, more human method of communication.
Sometimes, I've found better help from web forums than from the actual company.
Your best customers know more about the product than many people who work inside the company -- certainly more than most of the low-paid, call center people who are reading from a script. The problem with traditional forums -- which in many cases worked quite well over the years -- is that they're often difficult to search or the answer is buried way, way down. Our system is kind of the next generation of leveraging this conversation for very specific outcomes.
This can happen with or without the company's participation?
In the last six and half months, we have almost 2,500 companies that have been added and about half of them are participating. When customers start to converge and talk, for many companies this is gold -- real engagement with current or future customers.
How do companies come to your site?
Sometimes companies discover it because they have a Google alert. Sometimes they're invited by users or by us. We've got companies large and small that are actively participating, ranging from Comcast and Google and Paypal to more up-and-comers like Twitter and Timbuk2. We also provide tools for companies to embed these customer communities into their own websites. The easiest way is a little widget that companies drop into their help page or contact us page. It intercepts the customer's issues and redirects them into the community.
Do companies ever recoil because they find it embarrassing to have their problems aired?
Historically that's been true. Our proposition is different; it's a neutral space. We call it a Switzerland between companies and customers, and it's designed for positive outcomes. Companies are well-served for problems to be reported on getsatisfaction. They have a very clear role, which is to respond, the outcomes are celebrated, and the tone of the site is different than many others. We have a company-customer pact, which is basically a statement of shared responsibility for creating open, honest relationships. We have made it a much safer model for customer engagement.
So it's not a place to just flame the company?
Recent Comments | 5 Total
April 28, 2008 at 9:40pm by Marc Stender
wow...clear thoughts
and what a very cool company
Thumbs up!!
April 29, 2008 at 11:07am by Darin Phillips
Thor is forcing the vendor's hand with getsatisfaction, but he is doing it in a less threatening way than the other "login to complain" sites. While other sites claim to be Switzerland, they are actually only protecting the consumer and giving her/him a confidential voice. I like how getsatisfaction is encouraging a solutions-focused form of engagement and resolution. That is the real magic of the site.
By the way, Thor, I think that there is a great opportunity to generate revenue beyond the edge of your product. There is a great demand for best practices in service failure/recovery and you witness them on your site all day long (write a book and start a consulting practice). You could save companies the expense of having a large helpdesk and connect them with the super users who would probably love to get paid per resolution (you get the finder's fee/agent fee). You could partner with a call center company and provide customer survey services to the companies that have a critical mass of users on your site. They post then they get a call to find out more details about the situation and to complete a before and after survey that measures the customer's reaction to the resolution (did the company miss, meet, or exceed your expectations?).
Just a couple of observations,
Darin Phillips
April 29, 2008 at 1:21pm by Thomas Grounds
Great idea... it's like a Customer Service Intervention!
It would be in the company's best interest to be involved - there is a huge up-side benefit to them to see where their customer experience is lacking without having to pay for a study that would include customer satisfaction surgeys. They can certainly disagree with the comments - but to what end? The customer perception is the company's Customer Service reality.
May 13, 2008 at 3:35pm by Kemper Burt
When first reading the article I was a little skeptical because it seemed to center around customer service (as written in the title: Does a New Website Hold the Secret to Great Customer Service?). However, after further reading I feel like getsatisfaction.com is more than a customer service website. There is an opportunity to give the customer power to seek solutions and for companies to solve the age old issue of satisfying their customers.
Having worked both the front lines and corporate side of retail I have a very clear understanding of the importance of keeping your company transparent to customers. Unfortunately, in today’s age the term “customer service” means something different to everyone. Is customer service solving problems? Is it delivering a great sales experience on the sales floor? Is it about call centers or sales floors … or both? What I’m getting at is most companies and websites miss this and fall into the “I just want to bitch about not getting my Starbucks in a timely manner”. Getsatisfaction.com has a wonderful opportunity to connect consumers with companies and vice versa to solve problems or get new ideas.
Lastly, something else I experienced at a couple of brands I worked for was how retail executives gather customer information. Most often it was through the eyes of front line employees (sales associates and/or managers). Although this can be a good resource for doing a "climate check" for how a store/business is doing, this always baffled me because there was really no other resource (in my experiences). And although employees for the most part give very honest and candid feedback, it’s still going to be somewhat skewed or bias. Again, Getsatisfied.com has a great opportunity to fill a niche in which no other company is doing. Imagine the power of information from customers first hand in the hands of a CEO trying to drive growth or change of his /her company?
Even more compelling, imagine the power of customers knowing they are apart of driving the growth of their favorite products or services. Hmm, imagine that.
February 1, 2009 at 11:08pm by Eli Shapiro
What an excellent idea! Anyone who browses the user message boards of very large companies would instantly realize that their customers often have very specific problems that can't really be addressed correctly by an underpaid phone rep. I think getsatisfaction.com should integrate a customer satisfaction survey so that a company that adopts their system can also easily see how their service is stacking with their customer base, therefore being able to better serve them, through getsatisfaction.com and otherwise.